Beware... Redmond and Bellevue Courts...

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mnewell

Discussion Starter · Dec 30, 2003

For those of you that might get pulled over for speeding, I was reading a group list recently that had the following data...

Snippit from a recent post:
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[Talking about Jeannie Mucklestone] …was not able to nuke my tickets just a few weeks ago. Redmond City PD pulled out the stops, and she warned me ahead of time that this would likely be the case.

End result was that they were deferred. I could have gotten this by doing it myself in all likelihood.

…so if you get a ticket in Redmond perhaps you might consider giving Bill Shaw a try. Otherwise, to my knowledge, Jeannie is still the champ.

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And another...
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The cities of Bellevue and Redmond have really upped their efforts to fight Jeannie. Kind of a testament to her ticket fighting abilities.

The question is will they pull out the stops for other lawyers with
similar reputations? If so then no one is likely to get you off. It's a war of attrition the lawyers vs. the cities. I'm voting for the lawyers.

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And one more...
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Bill Shaw also says Redmond is getting tougher. I’ve used both Jeannie and Bill…both with the same 100% success rate. Bill is more expensive but I feel more confident with him. Jeannie has the added advantage of not requiring you to be in court.

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Just thought I would give you all the heads up just in case...

I guess Bill Shaw is another of the Lawyers that should be added to our "friendly helpful people" list, but I do not have contact info for him.

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GixxerPete

· #2 · Dec 30, 2003

Good info!

All the more reason we all need to fight every ticket we get. If the court system gets bogged down with enough people fighting tickets, it will cease to be a cash cow for the govt. If they spend more money fighting the likes of Jeannie & Bill than they make on tickets, maybe they will decide traffice "enforcement" isn't so important after all, and trying going after real criminals instead.

nakedjig

· #3 · Dec 30, 2003

Welcome to my world. It doesn't matter who you hire. They all use the same tricks and Redmond and Bellevue are fighting back. A ticket I got in Redmond fuxxored a ticket I deferred last year.

imagine32000

· #4 · Dec 30, 2003

I beat Redmond by myself.

- Matt

mnewell

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 30, 2003

imagine32000 said:
I beat Redmond by myself.

- Matt

:clap

http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/

imagine32000

· #6 · Dec 30, 2003

mnewell said:
:clap

http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/

:laughing :thumb I know..

- Matt

Circus Bear

· #7 · Dec 30, 2003

I think traffic enforcement will always be a big deal even if it's no longer a "cash cow" as you like to say.
While I think some forms of ticketing that cops do is blatantly a money maker (i.e. cops flagging people down for tickets in the U-district because of a wierd on ramp), I also think that it's a good thing our law enforcement officers are out there giving tickets to speeders. I know some smarty will say that speeding isn't dangerous, there's no statistics to prove it but I think that's b.s.. I honestly think that for the most part they're out there keeping us safe and keeping some of us driving at reasonable speeds. Think about it, if there wasn't any fear of tickets or jail wouldn't a lot of people drive 100mph or faster everywhere they went?

Just something to think about.

TLRMAN

· #8 · Dec 30, 2003

Well said and many would have figured I would be on this side as well.
I will add one thing. How many of you know a person that was killed or hurt over the past year while ridding there bike?
If you want to speed not talking about 5 mph over more like 10-20 over then be prepared to get what is coming to you in these area's.

Here is a little thing I learned over the past year or so. I have also put it to the test.
If you are on federal property lets say Mt St Helens area and you get pulled over. You get a ticket for say going 20 over or just get caught speeding. I am talking about if you get pulled over by a ranger not state patrol here.
Your ticket may stick even if you goto court but not very likley but here is the kicker. It is a federal ticket and it will not go on you DOL. I got a ticket for going 20 over. I went to court and explained to the judge what had happened. He reduced my ticket from 250.00 to 50.00 with a slap on the rist. I will also add that I pleeded guilty to these charges and just explained why I was speeding.
I have confirmed with others that were in the group that day and none of us has had anything show up on our DOL records.
Food for thought.
Lance

Circus Bear said:
I think traffic enforcement will always be a big deal even if it's no longer a "cash cow" as you like to say.
While I think some forms of ticketing that cops do is blatantly a money maker (i.e. cops flagging people down for tickets in the U-district because of a wierd on ramp), I also think that it's a good thing our law enforcement officers are out there giving tickets to speeders. I know some smarty will say that speeding isn't dangerous, there's no statistics to prove it but I think that's b.s.. I honestly think that for the most part they're out there keeping us safe and keeping some of us driving at reasonable speeds. Think about it, if there wasn't any fear of tickets or jail wouldn't a lot of people drive 100mph or faster everywhere they went?

Just something to think about.

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gxrphil

· #9 · Dec 30, 2003

Circus Bear said:
I I also think that it's a good thing our law enforcement officers are out there giving tickets to speeders. I know some smarty will say that speeding isn't dangerous, there's no statistics to prove it but I think that's b.s.. I honestly think that for the most part they're out there keeping us safe and keeping some of us driving at reasonable speeds. Think about it, if there wasn't any fear of tickets or jail wouldn't a lot of people drive 100mph or faster everywhere they went?

Just something to think about.

Think about this in Germany where there is really no speed limits,(there are but they just don't enforce them), people drive at whatever speed they feel comfortable with. And that is how law enforcements reacts to it as long as you are in control of the car and not doing anything to endanger other people on the road they pretty much leave you alone.

Now with that in mind people are more relaxed driving not constantly checking their speed worrying whether they are going 42 mph down this hill and they will get a ticket for 7 over. You just concentrate on driving and the road.

The accident rate in Europe is about 1/3 of what it is here.

So let's stop this BS that the cops are uot there protecting us by stopping speeders. If safety was their primary reasoning than initial driver training would change dramatically. Right now if yan parallel park and drive on the freeway at a constant speed you can get a license. Panic brake situations and collision avoidance are not even discussed in driver's education let alone taught.

Tickets are all about REVENUE nothing else

:redflip :rant :rant :rant

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Circus Bear

· #10 · Dec 30, 2003

Wow, just like I knew would happen, some wise guy with a narrow focused statistic arguing that speeding is safer.
How many other factors contribute to Germany's accident rate being 1/3 of ours? You didn't mention that in your argument. How about quality of cars maybe? like you said, driver training? condition of roads? drunk driving?
I would be willing to wager that just because people can go however fast they want doesn't make them safer drivers......just think about that statement for a second.

Circus Bear

· #11 · Dec 30, 2003

by the way, giving out licenses and policing drivers are two completely different parts of the government. If the police wanted to make us safer drivers or have more stringent requirements there's nothing they can do about it. All they can do is enforce the law.

GixxerPete

· #12 · Dec 30, 2003

gxrphil said:
The accident rate in Europe is about 1/3 of what it is here.

So let's stop this BS that the cops are uot there protecting us by stopping speeders. If safety was their primary reasoning than initial driver training would change dramatically. Right now if yan parallel park and drive on the freeway at a constant speed you can get a license. Panic brake situations and collision avoidance are not even discussed in driver's education let alone taught.

Tickets are all about REVENUE nothing else

:redflip :rant :rant :rant

:clap :clap :clap

+1

gxrphil

· #13 · Dec 30, 2003

Circus Bear said:
by the way, giving out licenses and policing drivers are two completely different parts of the government. If the police wanted to make us safer drivers or have more stringent requirements there's nothing they can do about it. All they can do is enforce the law.

Oh and I suppose putting cameras up to take pictures of speeding to get tickets is about safety as well.

No do not stop that driver and get them to slow down. Just collect the revenue and continue to let them drive fast.

Get a clue:redflip

Smokin_Joe

· #14 · Dec 30, 2003

gxrphil said:
Think about this in Germany where there is really no speed limits,(there are but they just don't enforce them), people drive at whatever speed they feel comfortable with. And that is how law enforcements reacts to it as long as you are in control of the car and not doing anything to endanger other people on the road they pretty much leave you alone.

:redflip :rant :rant :rant

One thing about the autobahn that makes it the safest highway is that tailgaiting is STRICKTLY enforced useing computerized cameras, and its not all straight so drivers dont become lethargic. Also they do have variable speed limits that change with the conditions via digital signs.(Thanks discovery channel!):redflip

Dvus

· #15 · Dec 30, 2003

Well I think next year there's going to be an even stronger pressence to write tickets for speeders and aggressive drivers.

Why do you think the LEO's are targeting more towards ticketing as a means of revenue? Is cause of Eyman?

gxrphil

· #16 · Dec 30, 2003

Circus Bear said:

I would be willing to wager that just because people can go however fast they want doesn't make them safer drivers......just think about that statement for a second.

Once again you are missing the point. I am talking about the zealousness of the cops in this state in the pursuit of tickets. Their are quotas for state patrol on how many tickets they have to write. Their are so many speedtraps in this state that it is ridiculous and you are trying to convince anyone that they are doing in the interest of safety you are misinformed.

If safety was the concern they would be addressing the other issues. But they are not are they.

Circus Bear

· #17 · Dec 30, 2003

I'm just wondering where you get this information from? Are you a law enforcement officer? Or do you know somebody who is? Is this information from the horses mouth? Or is it some conspiracy theory about how big brother wants to manipulate and control us?
Hey, if you really want to stick it to the "zealous" ticket writing cops why don't you try driving within the speed limit. So what if you get there a couple minutes later.

And a comment on the speeding cameras. Think about it this way, if you know you're being watched everywhere you go don't you think people are more likely to closely follow the law? People are like kids, most of them need strict rules and supervision or they do stupid things.

And if cops were really ticket crazy they'd be pulling everybody over that was going 1 mph over the speed limit....that's more money in their pocket, right?

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gxrphil

· #18 · Dec 30, 2003

Not_Slow_Joe said:
One thing about the autobahn that makes it the safest highway is that tailgaiting is STRICKTLY enforced useing computerized cameras, and its not all straight so drivers dont become lethargic. Also they do have variable speed limits that change with the conditions via digital signs.(Thanks discovery channel!):redflip

It is just the way the polizei deal with traffic they are not looking to pull people over for speeding. They watch tailgating they pull you over for driving in the leftlane impeding traffic (pay attention everybody leftlane is for passing). They are there to make everything go smoothly and stop problems before they happen.

Most of the autobahn in Northern Germany is 2 lane so you drive in the left lane alot when somebody comes up on you they flash their Highbeams and you move over. In this country you flash your highbeams, and the driver in front of you hits the brakes (unsure of why light are flashing behind them) probably thinks it might be a cop and does not want to be written for 5 over:crackup.

nramsey

· #19 · Dec 30, 2003 (Edited)

Having seen drivers in Germany myself, I will say that they seem to be much BETTER drivers than Americans as a whole, and that they are capable of driving at higher speeds in a responsible manner.

With all the idiots we have driving on our roads around here, I can't imagine NOT having a speed limit. 90% + of the people on the road in this country couldn't handle higher speeds IMHO and I think it would be bad news. I know I wouldn't want to be on the road with these freaking yahoos hauling the mail at 100+ down our crappy freeways.

I will say however that our police should focus much more on things like lane discipline (stay right except to pass Grandma!), tailgating (get off my ass soccer mom!), merging (don't hit the brakes idiot!) and other "driving skills" type things more than speeding. I think if these things can be taken care of higher speeds become much less on an issue But I still think SOME amount of speed enforcement must exist in this country or we'd be in some deep doodoo.

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imagine32000

· #20 · Dec 30, 2003

I agree with "the Phil." :thumb

- Matt

PS - And it has nothing to do with the fact that he lent me a helmet..

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