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This past Sunday there was a Nesba sponsored track day at Pocono International Raceway. It was the first time I've ever seen something of this nature up close and personal.

The advanced riders had just gotten on the track for their 4th session of the morning. A rider by the name of Joel, went down on the second lap. He was coming around a left hand sweeper and slid the rear end out coming out of the corner. He and the bike cart wheeled across the track.

It was no more than 20 seconds before red trucks swarmed in from everywhere. Nesba red flagged the session and got everyone off the track. The local fire department was called in and Joel was air lifted to the hospital. The chopper was there in less than 10 minutes.

When rescue personal got to him, he was unconscious. After a few minutes he was revived and talking. From what was gathered from talking to the EMS crew, he suffered head trauma. The extent was not determined, but he had no memory of wrecking.

The folks at Nesba were right on top of things. I don't know how frequent these things happen, but the entire situation was handled well IMO. Things moved very quickly.

I did not know him, but I will be keeping his recovery in my prayers.


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I hope they got that helmet off him quick...
He'll race again tho, I'm sure.

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Not something I like to see anywhere..but as we all know, stuff happens,it's a risk we all take.. accidents happen at races, on track days, and on the street...we all know why 99.99% of them happen...I also hope he's o.k. and recovers fully, and fast..

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Yikes, I hate it when the ambulance goes out on the heart sinks every time. Hope he heals quick.

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looks like the opposite happend here in Canada.

this was an email sent to me by OSR(Ontario Sport Riders)

My name is Chris "CRASHBURN" of the Ontario Sport Riders ( O.S.R.)
These words that I deliver are based on my own thoughts.
[email protected]

I need to vent and tell a little story of pure lunacy.
Today is Sunday, October 6th and there were a few of the OSR members
out to ride the track on CAYUGA's TRACK DAY.
This was the most horrifying thing that any of us have witnessed.
When we got there an hour early the place was pretty much booked up for
the day. The day was suppose to be 3 sessions of 20 min. each. from
noon- 6:00.

As the day started, so did the CIRCUS.

The beginning.....

Tech consisted of walking up to the table and paying the $110 fee. NOT
ONE THING CHECKED ON ANY BIKE! I hate a super picky tech guy but not to
have one at all is plain STUPID. I've now seen it all. There were bikes
out there with antifreeze, bikes with no tape, others with all mirrors
and kickstands on, full headlights.
So basically If you showed up and you pay......your on!

Next was the entire section of the track covered in concrete dust to
supposedly get rid of some oil spill. Good idea but perhaps the section
of BEACH should have been swept up. This dust caused many slides and a
number of accidents too. It wasn't till the 5th wipeout that they
thought it MIGHT be a good idea to blow it off the track. It was there before
the day started and was left until several accidents and complaints

After the first session started, Myself and about 50 spectators lined
the concrete wall to watch the laps of our fellow riders.

Everyone was in disbelieve, When EVERY TIME an accident happened or a
rider was on the ground, we had to YELL at the flag guy at the start
gate to stop talking to his buddy long enough to do his job and wave the
yellow caution flag.
THEY HAD ONLY 2 FLAG MEN FOR THE WHOLE TRACK. There were two other flag
stations there (with flags) but nobody there to use them. The flags
can't wave themselves !!!
There were times when I was going around and slowed down waving my arms
and legs all over to get the attention of the other riders on the track
due to two separate downed riders on the track. The flagmen didn't see
any of them. They are too busy talking to their buddies. There was a
zx-7 shooting oil all over the track and another bike steaming and
spraying fluid from on overheated rad, not to mention the guy on the track
with his winter jacket, cargo pants, and running shoes. WHAT A JOKE! Do
you think that "peanut" noticed any of it. Everyone else had to disturb
him and point it out. But still not a damn thing was done about it.
By the time they started waving **** ( after the riders take the
initiative of slowing down ) the riders have been on the ground for
approximately 4 min.
I don't know about any of the readers of this........but If I'm on the
ground, hurt, I expect some help making sure I'm not going to get piled
by another bike. Or none of my limbs are busted. Those flag working
idiots would be lucky to notice the nose on there face! YA THAT's

The ambulance ended up being late but they started the event anyways.
That just goes with the rest of the format for this event.
When the ambulance did finally show up he chose the convenient parking
spot just off of the track BEHIND 3 TRUCKS. So.........when the time
comes that you need his assistance, he has to do a 10 point turn in order
to come out to the rescue. Oh Ya, don't forget about the 4 min. delay
due to the eagle eyes from the flag locations.

Next I have to juice up the story by saying that they took the
initiative of adding more sessions. 8 IN TOTAL, 20 RIDERS IN EACH. (session 8
was probably only half full)
So If I do the math right.........that makes 20 minuet sessions. This
works out to be 2 sessions for the day for your $110.00 fee. I overheard
the guy that runs the place say to someone that " ya they are(all
riders) pissed about the number of the sessions going on but I don't care,
they will forget all about it by next season."
Now that makes for great return business!

I started counting the number of bikes on the track. In the one session
that I watched, there were 34 bikes on the track. That means that 14
riders were jumping their turn. ( all the power to them, when your taking
it in the ass, you may as well make the best of it!)
This just goes to show the AWESOME organization of the event.'d be surprised to hear about the very large MOB that gathered
at the sign-in table complaining and requesting their money back. The
operators of the organization kept saying "sorry but we can't do
After several near fights with these clowns, they called the owner and
said " O.K. just call this phone # and leave a message."
So after many more near fights, they decided to call the owner again.
This time he comes back to say that the best they can do is giving
riders half price on the next track day. Mine and several other riders


# of sessions = 8
# of riders/session = 20

# of riders at the track = 160

160 riders pay $110.00 each = $17,600

So.......they made $17,600 dollars for the day and that was just the
amount of money made from the track riders. They also charged our friends
that came to watch (our friends and all other spectators) $15.00 just
to lean against the pit wall and watch their boyfriends / friends /
parents / relatives. There were a freaking ton of people their and I can't
even guess at the number of spectators.

After many heated arguments from the riders to the organizers, they
somehow came up with some refund money ( the same money they said wasn't
on the premises anymore).
They said that they would return $80.00 of the $110.00 ea. to the
riders and wash the event away. ( save some face )
Many just gave up trying for a descent day and took their money and
wrote the day off.
Think of the time you put into your bikes. Think of the money you
spent. Think of the traveling to get there. ( even a few from the states )
Think of the fuel for the truck & trailer and the drinks for the day.


amount of money for the track day = $110.00
The refund = $80.00
The number of riders in attendance that got SCREWED = 160

That leaves a profit of $4800.00 for the track
Givin, they have to pay out wages for BOTH corner workers and the
ambulance for MOST of the day as well as the one in the both at the front
that charges all our spectating friends. Let's be generous and say it
cost them $800.00.
That leaves a profit of $4000.00 ( FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS ) JUST FOR
SCREWING YOU OVER !!!! Not bad. I'm in the wrong line of work I think!

In summary:

The Cayuga road track has gone threw some tough times over the last
while with the municipality and regulations. They look for our support as
customers to help the track make money and grow. I would think that
they would treat all those riders in attendance with much better respect
and service.
Not come out to end up paying for the truck and trailer, drinks,
fuel......bla, bla, bla just to take it in the ASS!

OSR is a Large organized motorcycle club spreading over southwestern
We always appreciate our fellow riders.
Nobody likes to get walked on and nor do any of us.

I wrote these words to let you know of a very wrong doing. And to warn
you of the business attitude of the Cayuga Road course. If this is the
way that they chose to conduct business...........they won't have a
business to worry about.

If you feel the way I do, I recommend to send a "up yours" e-mail to
the head office of Cayuga Raceway and make them aware of your opinion. I
know I will be for sure.

You can direct mail to [email protected]

After this experience and a very similar one at the last Cayuga
organized track day, I won't be attending any others in the future.

The organizer of this particular event.................COULDN'T


Thank you for your reading and I hope I've saved some people the
headache of traveling to Cayuga for a track day.



The Ontario Sport Riders team.

just bad all around.

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That is never good to hear or see. However that is why I like the track, if something like this ever happens to me it is nice to know trained personell are there to assist. I hope he is OK.

What happened at NFMP this weekend?

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I was at Budds creek two weeks ago watching the MX races. Man the young kids were racing their hearts out, and the first turn was particularly hairy.

One race four kids wiped out on that first turn, and it took forever to get the attention of the medics. As they pulled kids and bikes off of the pile, it became obvious the one kid on the bottom was in bad shape.

For a full minute and a half (seems just like an hour) he did not move at all. I couldn't see his chest rising and falling and I was only about ten feet away. He was just completely still.

They carted him off on a back board, and eventually he did regain consciousness, and only suffered a broken ankle, but man, my heart was in my throat the whole time they were working on him.

His mom was standing right next to me, shaking so hard she looked like she'd come apart. She kept yelling his name, and told me his dad races too, and she hates watching the starts because those are always the scariest part. It was all I could do not to cry for that poor woman.

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If you become a regular on the track...get used to it amigo. In all honesty though, I see it most from the intermediate group. When a racer wrecks, he usually gets up and walks away. When an intermediate wrecks, it's usually because they got way over their head thinking they were better than they are :(

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Well I know someone said it already, but let me reiterate the helmet thing. NEVER remove a helmet from a rider if they are breathing, even if unconcious. Make sure the visor is opn and they can get air, and stabilize their neck the best you can without moving it. The only time I remove helmets in accident victims is if they are not breathing. If I can hear gurgling from their airway (i.e. blood, vomit, anything liquid) I try to suction them first, but sometimes you have to pull it off and intubate them. At the point I think they are gonna die, I take the chance on removing the helmet because even if they come out paralyzed, they are still better off than just being dead. You would be amazed how hard it is to get someones helmet off without moving their neck if it fits properly. Just watch the NFL, they will cout off face masks before removing helmets on the field.

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StrickSVS said:
What happened at NFMP this weekend?

Yeah....what happened at NFMP this past weekend that required an airlift??

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Sorry to hear about the fallers noted, and the shitty track day "organizers"(using the term loosely). Hope everyone is OK.

The ambulance rolled once for the trackday I went to last Friday too. 2 racers came together at a corner. The novice group(where I was) was lining up to go out as the ambulance came in. I didn't see, but it seemed they stopped in the pits, so maybe they weren't hurt bad. It did make some in the novice group alittle more cautions, I think.

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Clay said:
If you become a regular on the track...get used to it amigo. In all honesty though, I see it most from the intermediate group. When a racer wrecks, he usually gets up and walks away. When an intermediate wrecks, it's usually because they got way over their head thinking they were better than they are :(
Actually, I believe it was the Intermediate group. I'm not 100% sure on that, but I think it was.

Also, They were very quick to respond, but I thought it was longer than 10 minutes for the chopper.

On the bright side, it sounds like the guy is gonna be okay. The reason for the life flight was because he was unconsious, but he came around and started talking before they left.

I was really impressed with NESBA. I thought they ran an excellent show, and I'm definately going back. :D

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Trust ME you don't wanna be carted away in an ambulance. But I'm thankful that there were trained personnel there when I had to be taken to the hospital!!!

Having been in that situation I wish the guy the best of luck and hope he recovers soon!!!

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